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Post by theleader9 on Aug 6, 2011 23:53:58 GMT -5
Yes i remember seeing that ( Somalis called black Berbers in the past) and isnt there a city in Somalia called Berbera dont know if it has connection's to the term Berbers. And about your friend is she the light kinda of Berbers or the darker once.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 6, 2011 23:56:40 GMT -5
She is the light ones, she spoke to me in her Kabyle Berber dialect a lot of words were the same as Somali which surprised me. Yeah Berbera was actually the name for all of Somalia, called Berbera or Berberia. Her brother is a famous soccer player on the Algerian national team, I forgot his name though.
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 7, 2011 0:03:02 GMT -5
She is a smart lady by wanting to be with a Berber man, shes keeping it Hamitic.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 0:13:15 GMT -5
Yeah I know she's engaged to one already, they get engaged really fast and married really fast in their culture. Pure Berbers are tall, blond and blue eyed and look like Nordic Europeans, in fact Nordic Europeans are from the Y-DNA I which used to be J, J is the Semitic DNA that Jews, Arabs, and Aramaens have which means that they split from it a long time ago and settled in Europe from the deserts in the Middle East. Western European Y-DNA is R, R came from the mountains of Iran this is why they call themselves Aryan, like Iranians, Afghans, and so forth. But Nordic Europeans are Middle Eastern, and Berber Nordics are Hamitic while the Cushites who are also Nordic in features but are only dark skinned. Its been observed that Cushites and Berbers resemble Nordics like Norwiegans and Swedes the purest of Whites.
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 7, 2011 0:21:15 GMT -5
All the Hamitic people have the same facial features only thing different is the skin color. I used to be a firm believer in the view that Somalis and other East African came from the mixing of Arabs and blacks but one day i looked into the history deeply and i noticed two things. 1.Most east Africans have E1b1b while Arabs have J1. 2.East African don't look anything like an Arab not even the facial features we look more like the Europeans in phenotype then our red sea neighbors the Arabs.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 0:31:21 GMT -5
The Semites have hooked noses and so forth, and olive skin tone. While Hamites and Europeans have keen features such as high forheads and small or long noses as opposed to hooked noses, including Italians and Greeks. Actually Greeks and Italians are dark because they are 50% E1b1b Hamitic, because the first ancient Greeks the archaic and the Pelasgian Greeks, the Minoans and Etruscans were Hamites who sailed from Egypt. The Spaniards are also mixed with the Berbers the Basques in the Pyrrannes mountains between Spain and France are Berbers, Spain was conquered by Berbers and then Celtic Iberians and then Berber Moors again this is why they are mixed. However the Basques are a pure Berber race in Spain. The Etruscans ruled Italy before the Latium or Latin Romans conquered them also. Britian and Ireland were ruled by the gigantic Cushites who built the Stonhenges around (called Giants Dance) many old British, Irish or Welshmen will tell you that the Fomorians came from Africa, were giants and did these things before the Celtic White Tuatha de Danaan killed them off. There is also history of Black beards and Red beards foriegn giants from the West amongst Native Americans, recent proof show that these people were Berber and Cushitic groups who were later killed off by the Natives. Mummified remains, Numidic (Berber) inscriptions and Egyptian inscriptions were found through out the Americas. One American intellectual by the name of John D. Baldwin of the American Oriental Society concluded that the Cushites or Hamites were the Atlanteans of the ancient world. This is why the Natives worshipped the Europeans because they thought it was their White gods from the west that were returning to the Americas, they were severely mistaken.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 0:38:55 GMT -5
There is a book called "The Invasions of Ireland" which chronicles the different groups who came to the islands of Britian and Ireland and details the Fomorians clearly calling them "Sons of Cham" violent, warlike giants who came to the British and Irish Isles at 10,00 B.C this is when there were massive invasions of Mediterannean islands as well of foriegn peoples called "The Sea Peoples" who all of a sudden took their boats and decided to invade Greece, Italy, Sicily, Spain, Egypt, etc after a calamity happened in their homeland the governments of these ancient nations were dealing with massive refugee influx from these Sea Peoples commonly known as Atlanteans and their attempt to control the Mediterranean. They were the Berbers, Philistines (children of Philistim son of Casluhim son of Mizraim "Aegyptus son of Ham), Canaanites (children of Canaan son of Ham) and other Hamitic peoples both white and dark skinned causing massive chaos on Earth. All the Sumerian gods and the Egyptian gods were from these people, all the ancient sources will tell you that they were refugees who brought knowledge to the people. The Egyptian god Thoth was a prince son of Misor (Egypt son of Ham) and he brought the knowledge of writing and medicine, Osiris was Nimrod son of Cush son of Ham, and so on and so forth, they were all foriegners and refugees from a "faraway place" called Atlantis, Meropis, Meru, Lemuria or more anciently known as Kusha or Cosh, a great civilization. The Hindu texts all say that the ancient world was ruled by a people called the Cusha-Dwipa (Cushites) who lived in a land mass that connected India to Sri Lanka and nearby islands and it sunk and they all migrated west to Egypt, Ethiopia, Sumeria and so on.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 0:45:18 GMT -5
Nimrod the Great Hunter who is described in the Bible and history was the oldest son of Cush, and king of the first empire. He is known in world mythology as: Gilgamesh, Heracles, Osiris, Moloch, Odin/Woden, Bel, Belus, Ba'al, Dionysus, Bacchus (Ba-Chus: son of Cush), Apollo, etc he was a gigantic man you must understand this man was the son of Cush son of Ham son of Noah and these people were giants the size of palm trees, he killed lions, wore their skins and the lions back then were larger than today's lions, he hunted and he was a warrior. Eventually he was killed by his great-uncle Shem son of Noah, Shem became known in mythology as the evil Seth god of the desert lol! God of the desert because his people were of the desert the Semites. His beautiful wife was a woman named Semiramis child of Sumeria, a princess of Sumeria when he conquered the city she already gave herself to him and he made her his queen she later bore a son for him named Tammuz or Horus. Horus or Tammuz killed his great-great uncle Shem for killing his father. At the time of their rule modern day Iraq, Southern Iran, Syria, etc was part of that empire the greatest empire after the flood.
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Post by Noah on Aug 7, 2011 20:33:28 GMT -5
@ Leader True, the underlying skeletal structure in modern Hamitic folk is still remarkably consistent even to this day:
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 20:35:39 GMT -5
The fact that we are closer to India, Europe, ancient Egypt, and ancient Kush just proves my whole point and analysis brother.
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Post by Noah on Aug 7, 2011 20:43:49 GMT -5
Indeed sis. That's the beauty of message boards: one can actually visually illustrate what one is talking about instead of just linking to it.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 20:46:31 GMT -5
Yeah I know I actually truely believe that we Hamites came from the Middle East around the area of Iraq or the Levant. Do you think so too?
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Post by Noah on Aug 7, 2011 21:23:15 GMT -5
I didn't used to. I used to think that Hamitic peoples perhaps evolved locally as descendants of the Out-of-Africa population, which had already diverged from the ancestors of Sub-Saharan Africans. But several things happened to change my mind.
First, I got access to data showing the massive, dominant presence of Eurasian mtDNA lineages in all Hamitic populations from North Africa, through to the Horn, and even into isolated Cushitic groups like the El Molo.
Second, I got access to autosomal DNA data, which again showed a dominant Eurasian component in all the major Hamitic peoples in North and Northeast Africa.
Third, I read up on the oral traditions of Bantu, Nilotic and other Negroid peoples in the general East and Northeast African region. And they consistently spoke of Caucasoid peoples that inhabited that general area in the past.
Fourth, I read up on the origins of many of the plants, cattle and livestock that the Hamitic peoples raised. And here too they pointed to Eurasian origins.
Fifth, I examined the scientific literature on the archaeological affiliations of the lithic/stone industries in the Hamitic living area. And they as well suggested affinities with similar ancient industries in the Near East (around the Palestine area, in particular).
And finally, I tried to ascertain whether or not there existed ancient Caucasoid populations with tropical body proportions like those possessed by most Hamites, such as the Ancient Egyptians. And sure enough, there were... in the same place where the aforementioned archaeological affinities also traced back to (the general Palestine area).
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 7, 2011 21:28:57 GMT -5
Yes you are on point, also ancient religious sources such as the Bible, Islamic literature, and the Hindu Vedas all point that the Sons of Ham/Khem/Cham or the Cusha-Dwipa all came from the Middle East, and according to the Vedas a place called Cusha (Atlantis/Meropis/Lemuria) that connected India, to Sri Lanka and the nearby islands. Tall giants, Islamic literature tell us that Adam was dark skinned resembling the Dravidian or Cushitic peoples of India and the Horn, the Hebrew literature says he was "red". Now if you look at the Oceanography and Topography the place where the Tamils call Kumari Kandam or Kusha did exist and connected Sri Lanka at one point to India, and other islands. Numerous fossils and gigantic bones were found there. Do you think this might be true as well?
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Post by Noah on Aug 7, 2011 21:40:36 GMT -5
I do think it's a possibility. The religious texts are interesting because a lot of what they describe in terms of migrations and such are actually plausible when analysed in tandem with scientific data.
Ham is supposed to have originated in the Middle East some place. Even if we consider his story in strictly metaphorical terms, that doesn't change the fact that the same people which various scholars throughout the centuries have identified as the descendants of Ham (the Hamites) have now been proven to have quite strong biological, cultural, religious and linguistic links with Ham's putative point of origin.
These old religious and cultural narratives too match quite well, as you've pointed out.
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