Hamitic origin of Haplogroup E

[Atlantid]

Excellent info, I didn't know about the studies on dark skin as protective coloration, such as shadows - but that makes perfect sense. The origin of ulotrichous (wooly) hair is also probably linked to the rainforest environment, for example Bulbeck (1999) has shown how wooly hair texture water-proofs the head. Furthermore in rainforests which are densely populated by trees and other plants, short hair would be needed to move in and out of the trees. According to hair studies, Pygmoid and Negroid natural hair cannot grow more than a few inches, as it spirals:

"It [Negro hair] is rarely more than three inches long and, generally not nearly so long". (Hunt, 1864, p. 10).

Of course today's Negroids are notorious for not having their natural hair texture, which is a militant form of self-hatred and Caucasoid admire. Virtually every Negress artifically straightens their wooly hair texture to a more wavy texture, through hot irons, perming, weaving or even wearing wigs - all to emulate the Caucasoid hair look. The same self-hatred is observed in Negroid males as well, as most crop their hair very short, attempting to kill the hair roots, to cover their wooly texture.

* Hunt, J. (1864). The Negro’s Place in Nature. Van Evrie, Horton & Co.

* Bulbeck, D. (1999). "Current Biological anthropological research on Southeast Asia's Negritos". Spafa J. 9(2): 14-22.

[Atlantid]

I should clarify above, Negritos have no link to Negroids. However if you look at a world map, you will see Negritos mostly live in rainforest areas in the Melanesian geographical belt. Therefore simple convergent evolution explains similarity in some of their traits.

[Noah]

Within Africa, it is most telling that every population with a notable incidence of non-kinky hair texture also has significant West Eurasian ancestry. The reverse is the situation with ulotrichous/woolly hair i.e. it is strongly correlated with Sub-Saharan ancestry.

It's therefore tempting to link ulotrichous/woolly hair texture with jungle-like environments. However, a problem arises when we consider that the Khoisan, who have pepper-corn hair (an extreme form of this hair type), likely did not evolve in areas of dense vegetation, but rather in the desert.

It has also been variously suggested that woolly hair is so common in tropical Africa because its dense nature serves as a protective barrier, shielding the scalp from excessive sun exposure. However, the Khoisan again with their patchy hair distribution obviously put this theory into doubt.

Unfortunately, the evolution of the various human hair types doesn't seem to have been adequately worked out yet. This will probably change though in the coming years, if it hasn't begun to already.

[hamiticev13]

Here is the Best Youtube clip explaining the Origings of the E Halopgroup the E-M35 and specially the E-v13 that I am proudly part of it:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=63Y3kIuONx4

Enjoy it My Hamitic Brothers and Sistes

[hamiticev13]

Hi all I am an E-M35 E-V13 part of the Raising Hamitic Nation

so far thisis is what I have discover, let me know if you have many more facts

One for sake of Clarity I see that Most Jewish called themselves Semites, this is Due to the Fact that they think their earliest Ancestor was Shem who was Noah son, based on that All Humanity is

divided among 3 lineages:

Adam -> Noah -> 3 sons (Japhet, Ham and Shem)

1) Hamtics:
would be Halopgroups D E O > Halopgrou
D and Halopgroup E Halopgroup 0(Original Romans=E-V13, 55%Latin and 30%North Americans = E-V13 , Egyptians, Japanese (Halopgroup D) Chinese (halopgoup 0), Ethiopians, Libyans, Morrocans,

Palestinians...)

2)Semites:
IJ (S2) > J (M304) > J1 (M267) and J2 (M175) (Israelites, Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, Iraquis, Chechens, Jordans...)

3)Japhethics-Aryans-Caucasians would be
P (M45) > R (M207) > R1 (M173) > R1b (M343) > R1b1 (P25) > R1b1c (M269) (Rusians, Slavics, Celtics)
P (M45) > Q (M45) (Mayans, Aztecs, Incas, Native Americans)

On the Jewish writings we found that
E-M35 is Royal lineage Noah gave Ham the clothing Adam and Eve this is why Nimrod was able to Rule and be the first King of the world

Now Combining the DNA, the Bible and Roman and Greek Mythology we get the following:

a) That the E Halopgroup is Hamitic or descendants of Ham (similar to? the usage of Jews for Semites using for it the Biblical Character Shem, or similar to the Biblical character Japheth which his

descendants now are called Caucasians)

b) I Read a good book called the Faces of the Hamitic People by Khamit Raamah Kush which I found let some light to my Hamitic roots
books.google.ca/books?id=OEy01TUojG0C&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=the+hamitic+faces&source=bl&ots=khUeUcszov&sig=RIwm3O_zDVla2QfBo0cT6APOGW0&hl=en#v=onepage&q=the%20hamitic%20faces&f=false


c) Googled I found that the E-V13 gene pool are Original Roman-Trojan genes (Since Saturn Jupiter and Zeus are associated with Nimrod, a descendant of Cush via Ham, and histories of Nimrod seeking

refuge on the 7 hills of Rome and from that point on the Original Romans called him Saturn, Originating the Feast of Saturnilia on December 25)

d) The E-V13 gene root Ancestor was Nimrod the Powerful Hunter Before the Lord also called as well the Orion, Zeus and Jupiter? and Saturn etc

e) Ham would be the E Halopgroup ==> Cush (Cronus)= E-M35 ==> Nimrod (Zeus)= E-V13 ==> Dardanus = Dardania ==> Tros = Troy (Trojans)==> Ilus =(Illum) Illyria (Albania)==> Latinus = Latin (the Roman

form of the Greek Lateinos) Lateo "to lie hid" or the hidden one)==> Romulos = Founder of the Roman Empire ==> current Romans are the E-V13

f) The Clue for my findings were the Ethiopians and the Yemeni E-M35 as they fit perfectly the Biblical account of Being the descendants of Cush

g) Famous Hamitics E-M35 include Albert Einstein, The wright Brothers, and even Hittler. However looks like throughout history there has been lots of converts of this Hamitic Branch to Judaism

which makes 40% of the Jewish Population on the Ashkenazi and Sephardi groups

[hamiticev13]

H) Hamitic Nation Faces

1) Hamitic Genealogy:

Adam -> Noah -> Ham

2) Hamitic Genetics:
Halopgroups E, D and O (posibly others but still investigating)

3)Ham Children:

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush E-M78, Mizraim E-M123, Phut E-M81, Canaan (Halopgroup O or Chinese so far)

4) Cush Children:

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Nimrod (E-V13), Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, Sabtechah

Nimrod (called as well Zeus, Jupiter, Saturn) E-V13 -> Romans, Greeks, Macedonians, Montenegro, and some percentage in other countries in Europe Romanized and or Greekinized by the E-V13s

Sabtah E-V22 -> Phoenicians, Palestinians, 40% Jews/Israelis,

Sebah E-V12 -> Yemen, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan

5) Hamitic Nation by Nimrod E-V13

Adam -> Noah -> Ham-> Cush -> Nimrod (E-V13)-> Romans (Romulus), Albania (Illus, Illyria), Kosovo (Dardanus), Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Philisteans (Palestinians)
23% serbians, 20% bulgarians, 18% Italians and from 5 to 15% in all other countries in Europe
75% of Latin Americans (Conquistadores)
30% North Americans

6) Hamitics as Nation Builders
Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush -> Nimrod -> Brutus founder of Britania, Latinus father of all Latins, Dardanus father of all Kosovars or Dardania, Illus father of all Illyrians, Tros father of the

Trojans, Romulus Father of all Romans etc etc etc
Nimrod Built
Babel (Babylon), Erech, Accad and Calneh, all in the land of Shinar was built by Nimrod, Then He built in the territory of Assyria Nineveh and Rehoboth-Ir and Calah and Resen Between Nineveh and

Calah

7) Hamitic Nation by countries:

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Halopgroup D -> Japanese, Tibetans, Tajiskistan

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Canaan -> Sine -> Halopgroup O -> Daxy Culture, Hmong-Mien (Miao-Yao) Southern China Southeast Asia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Burma

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush -> Ethiopia, Yemen, Oman, Somalia, Sudan, Egypt, Palestine, Libya, Morrocco, Algeria, Kenya

[hamiticev13]

8)The Hamitic Nation has the following colors (Our Melanin works perfectly as we have the greatest diversity):

Yellow Hamitics
Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Canaan -> Sine -> Halopgroup O -> Daxy Culture, Hmong-Mien (Miao-Yao) Southern China Southeast Asia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Burma

Brown and white Hamitics
Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush -> Egypt, Palestine, Libya, Morrocco, Latin Americans, North Americans, Hispanics,
Romans (Romulus), Albanians (Illus, Illyria), Kosovo (Dardania Dardanus), Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro, Romania
23% serbians, 20% bulgarians, 18% Italians and the 5% to 15% in all other countries in Europe

Black Hamites
Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush -> Ethiopia, Yemen, Oman, Somalia, Sudan, Morrocco, Algeria, Kenya, India
Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Canaan -> Sine -> Halopgroup O -> Daxy Culture, Hmong-Mien (Miao-Yao) Southern China Southeast Asia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Burma

9) Hamitic Faces:

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush -> Obama, Albert Einstein, Hittler, 40% of Jews/Israelis, Shalom Ben Amram ben Yitzhaq Samaritan High Priest, Wright Brothers, Me! and the Rest of E-M35s
Albanians Kosovars, Latin Americans, Egyptians etc etc, black white, brown and yellow!!

10) Genealogies of Famous

Adam -> Noah -> Ham -> Cush -> Nimrod

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> Hittler (unfortunately but that would be his genealogy)

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> Kosovars

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> Albanians

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> Greeks

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> Macedonians

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> Montenegro

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> South Italians

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> 75% Latin Americans

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> E-V13 (Nimrod)-> 40% North Americans

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Egyptians

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Philisteans - Palestinians

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Libyans

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Morrocans

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Ethiopians

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Sudan

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Kenya

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Obama

E (Ham)-> E-M35 (Cush)-> Albert Einstein

[Noah]

Hi Hamiticev13! Welcome to the HU.

That's quite an analysis. Some parts appear to have been influenced by that book you linked to, the Faces of the Hamitic People. The latter is an interesting work, but a rather curious polemic. Can't quite make out what is the author's idealogical stance; seems to be almost Afrocentric in parts.

In any event, just so it's clear, all Hamitic peoples are ultimately of Caucasoid origin. Skin color indeed varies, but is usually swarthy. Sometimes light brown, other times dark brown. Classically, it's somewhere in between, with a reddish tinge; especially amongst the Eastern Hamites. The actual genetics behind that skin coloration, however, is what really matters here because it's similar to that of other Caucasoids (same shared mutation).

Also, Kenyans are not Hamitic. They are mainly of Bantu and Nilotic extraction i.e. Negroid. Certain of their tribes do, though, have a bit of Hamitic admixture. This is why E1b1b sub-clades are sometimes reported in that area. The other, main reason is because there are a few remnant Cushitic-speaking populations inhabiting parts of the territory, who of course are primarily E1b1b carriers.

A worthy effort all the same. On this point, note the E1b1b sub-clade distribution tree below. It doesn't show this, but the rare basal E-M78* haplogroup (to which the typical European E-V13 sub-clade is downstream) has its highest frequencies in Egypt, a major center of Hamitic dispersal.

Here's a montage of some famous E1b1b carriers. It doesn't include Zinedine Zidane, but he's a member too (his brother was tested):

[Atlantid]

Oct 13, 2012 1:07:28 GMT -5 Noah said:

The latter is an interesting work, but a rather curious polemic. Can't quite make out what is the author's idealogical stance; seems to be almost Afrocentric in parts.

Certainly an Afrocentric book, working from a literalist Biblical perspective. On the preview on Amazon, page 20-21, the author claims the ancient egyptians were "Black" and not Caucasian and elsewhere attacks race theorists like Gobineau.

www.amazon.co.uk/Faces-Hamitic-People-Khamit-Raamah/dp/1453500510#reader_1453500510

"The reason for the denial of the Hamitic race is clear. Thy have said time after time that blacks are not capable of anything great" (p. 21)

However then on page 23-24 the author claims the Egyptians were "not all Black, but multicoloured" but still Hamitic.

This is an Afrocentric idiot who thinks "Black" or races = mere skin colour. The funny thing is that in the introduction he claims to have a degree in forensic science. He obviously doesn't know the slightest thing about racial anthropology.

[Atlantid]

hamiticev13's entire framework appears to be Afrocentric (from their video):

"All Humanity is divided among 3 lineages:
from Adam - Noah 3 sons (Japhet, Ham and Shem)

Hamtics:
Romans, Latin Americans, Albanians, Greeks, South Italians, Macedonians, Kosovars, Egyptians, Japanese Chinese , Ethiopians, Libyans, Morrocans, Palestinians

Semites:
Israelites, Jews, Arabs, Assyrians, Iraquis, Chechens, Jordans

Japhethics-Aryans-Caucasians
Rusians, Slavics, Celtics, Mayans, Aztecs, Incas, Native Americans"

So where are the Negroids? I bet hamiticev13 lumps them as the "Ethiopians" as the Biblical literalists of this sort do, and so by this can then can attempt to steal all those others ethnic or racial groups that have ended up in the same Hamitic grouping (Romans to Japanese).

Also note the sheer stupidity of all this - Aztec and Inca's as Aryans?

[hamiticev13]

well the link of the Aztecs to the Aryans is so easy and evident to explain to the people who know genetics, The Japhetics which now we call Caucasians, are mostly of the R Halopgroup, however if you study the genetics you will be able to notice that R Halopgroups has a Parent P Halopgroups, but interesting enought is that the Q Halopgroup which represents most of the Indigenous peoples of the Americas have the EXACT same parent P Halopgroup, Meaning that they both share the same Ancestor P, simple Logic, even a child would be able to match such a simple connections, below is who they share their genealogy.


Japhethics-Aryans-Caucasians would be
P (M45) > R (M207) > R1 (M173) > R1b (M343) > R1b1 (P25) > R1b1c (M269) (Rusians, Slavics, Celtics)
P (M45) > Q (M45) (Mayans, Aztecs, Incas, Native Americans)

[hamiticev13]

Oct 13, 2012 1:07:28 GMT -5 Noah said:

Hi Hamiticev13! Welcome to the HU.

In any event, just so it's clear, all Hamitic peoples are ultimately of Caucasoid origin.

Thanks Noah for your reply, I checked the youtube clip you posted, I am glad we are discovering our roots.
However I disagree with the term Caucasoid because that is the term used by the Japhetics descendents, and this is exactly why allot of the Hamitic Branch has not been perfectly align to our Ancestor Ham and the credits given to the Caucasoids or Semitics, of course they have their own achievements but it is time for us to take pride in our ancestor Ham.
looks at all Norht Africa (Egypt, Morroco, Lybia, Palestine, Israel) all have brown look on their skin, same as the Latin Americans or Hispanics, then look at the south of europe like Greece, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, South Italy among other they have the Roman Color, they are not Caucasian like the Celtics or Slavics, but a bit darker white color of skin. Besides even in the Americas that Division exist like in Europe, the North the Caucasian Protestan and the South the Hamitic Roman Catholics.

so it is time for us to abondon those words like Caucasoids or Semitics and exclusively use our Hamitic heritage!

[hamiticev13]

Oct 13, 2012 8:10:16 GMT -5 Atlantid said:

Oct 13, 2012 1:07:28 GMT -5 Noah said:

The latter is an interesting work, but a rather curious polemic. Can't quite make out what is the author's idealogical stance; seems to be almost Afrocentric in parts.

Certainly an Afrocentric book, working from a literalist Biblical perspective. On the preview on Amazon, page 20-21, the author claims the ancient egyptians were "Black" and not Caucasian and elsewhere attacks race theorists like Gobineau.

www.amazon.co.uk/Faces-Hamitic-People-Khamit-Raamah/dp/1453500510#reader_1453500510

"The reason for the denial of the Hamitic race is clear. Thy have said time after time that blacks are not capable of anything great" (p. 21)

However then on page 23-24 the author claims the Egyptians were "not all Black, but multicoloured" but still Hamitic.

This is an Afrocentric idiot who thinks "Black" or races = mere skin colour. The funny thing is that in the introduction he claims to have a degree in forensic science. He obviously doesn't know the slightest thing about racial anthropology.

Yes I read the book and that was one of the things that also saw, and this is why I pointed out that the Melanine works perfectly because we have the Darker Ethiopians/Sudan and Eritreans among the blacks then Brownish or Egyptina, Morrocans, Palestinians, Lybians and Latin Americans, and the the White but not Caucasian Greeks, South Italians, Albanians, Kosovars, Macedonians among othes.

So the book gave me an Introduction an opened my eyes, however I am trying to contact the author so he can make a second book and basically introduce the Balkans and South Italians as part of the Hamitic Branch, or the Fallen Hamitic Roman Empire, which has only survive by the Hamitic Roman Catholic Church to this day.

[Noah]

Oct 14, 2012 1:17:15 GMT -5 hamiticev13 said:

Thanks Noah for your reply, I checked the youtube clip you posted, I am glad we are discovering our roots.
However I disagree with the term Caucasoid because that is the term used by the Japhetics descendents, and this is exactly why allot of the Hamitic Branch has not been perfectly align to our Ancestor Ham and the credits given to the Caucasoids or Semitics, of course they have their own achievements but it is time for us to take pride in our ancestor Ham.
looks at all Norht Africa (Egypt, Morroco, Lybia, Palestine, Israel) all have brown look on their skin, same as the Latin Americans or Hispanics, then look at the south of europe like Greece, Kosovo, Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, South Italy among other they have the Roman Color, they are not Caucasian like the Celtics or Slavics, but a bit darker white color of skin. Besides even in the Americas that Division exist like in Europe, the North the Caucasian Protestan and the South the Hamitic Roman Catholics.

so it is time for us to abondon those words like Caucasoids or Semitics and exclusively use our Hamitic heritage!

I see where you're coming from. But your post above seems to miss the point again: skin color is just one superficial trait. Only the genetics actually controlling that trait matter. And the genetic variant in question links, in varying degrees, all Caucasoid origin peoples. That includes the various light brown-to-dark brown Hamitic peoples in North Africa and the Horn.

It's also not the only trait that does this, but just one of many. Take, for example, the craniometric variables below:

In short, racial affinities are determined by broad patterns across multiple biological traits, not single, isolated traits. Terms such as "Caucasoid", "Hamitic" and "Semitic" are just rhetorical devices that allow us to conveniently describe those already confirmed affinities. Don't get hung up on them.

If or when you contact the author of that book, be sure to relay all of this information to him because he doesn't address it anywhere in that polemic.

[Atlantid]

Oct 14, 2012 15:38:27 GMT -5 Noah said:

Oct 14, 2012 1:17:15 GMT -5 hamiticev13 said:

In short, racial affinities are determined by broad patterns across multiple biological traits, not single, isolated traits. Terms such as "Caucasoid", "Hamitic" and "Semitic" are just rhetorical devices that allow us to conveniently describe those already confirmed affinities. Don't get hung up on them.

Indeed, the more variables or traits used, the greater sorting accuracy of geographical populations or racial identification.

"For instance, a study that covered 17 populations over the world and that relied on 34 different measurements managed to assign 98% of the specimens to their correct major racial group (Brues 1990, 6). Another more recent study had a success rate of 80% in distinguishing between American Whites and Blacks, although it used just two variables. With seven variables, however, it reached the reliability of 95%, and with 19 variables the probability of correct classification rose to 97% (Ousley et al. 2009). Also, estimating generally the reliability of attributing a given data point to one of the five racial categories, another team of experts calculated that under some realistic conditions it is sufficient to use as few as 13 characteristics to have the posterior probability of the correct classification attain the value of 99% (Konigsberg et al. 2009)." (Sesardic, 2010)

Using only two variables still comes out with 80% accuracy.