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Post by Noah on Nov 1, 2012 20:24:52 GMT -5
Its because Hamites are connected to Caucasoids, and beyond the 1980's the belief in typological races mostly vanished for two reasons (a) political correctness/race denialism and (b) the rise of molecular anthropology. Do you know of any works on races, in the traditional sense, let alone Hamites, post-1980's? Very few works exist. This has really only now been confined to a branch of forensic anthropologists (George W. Gill, Stanley Rhine) yet who are now getting old. Its all very sad[...] Btw, it was also no coincidence that Seligman's Races of Africa was reprinted up to 1979 and then stopped. Although Hamitic terminology has declined in usage, the actual affinities that that nomenclature describes have most certainly not. In fact, the opposite has happened: Molecular science has actually confirmed what the typologists of old (such as the late Grover Krantz) could only scratch the surface of with their limited, phenotype-based methods. Studies like the ones just posted. Of course, the Hamitic reality also isn't for everyone... just those who are genuinely ready for it.
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Post by Noah on Nov 1, 2012 20:25:29 GMT -5
before the Puntites what civilizations existed in the horn? Centuries before the advent of Punt, the cultures in North Africa and the Horn were already linked. This is because the makers of those industries were of the same ancestral Hamitic stock: we can find out more on the exact location of Punt The exact location of the ancient Land of Punt has already been found. It is almost certainly in the Horn region. What finally confirmed this was oxygen isotope analysis that was recently conducted on the mummified remains of a baboon that was brought from Punt to Egypt. Isotopic analysis is a tool that helps researchers pinpoint the likely provenance of an organism since oxygen varies in accordance with the water composition of plants as well as rainfall. Only the isotopic values of baboon specimens in the present-day Horn region matched those of the mummified baboons from ancient Punt. Actually, even prior to this discovery, there was already quite compelling evidence that Punt was located in the Horn. I won't go into the whole incense-producing issue since you're probably aware of that. But what few people know is that particular rings that were found in ancient Puntite tombs in Egypt are identical to ones worn today as arm bands by certain Cushitic-admixed Nilotes in East Africa. These rings are, of course, just one of the various customs that these Hamiticized Nilotes borrowed from the Cushitic peoples that they assimilated; adopted practices that they have perpetuated into the present-day (others include the Pharaonic circumcision ritual). "That customs have survived throughout the ages in this region without much significant change is shown by peculiar armrings still worn by the Masai which are identical with two found in an Egyptian grave of between 3000 and 2700 B.C. containing the body of a foreigner from Punt or Somaliland; a people with whom contacts were maintained in the Old Kingdom."
books.google.com/books?id=dYUIAQAAIAAJ&q=%223000+and+2700+B.C.+containing+the+body%22&dq=%223000+and+2700+B.C.+containing+the+body%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=axeTUKryBMnf0QHq9IGIAw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA
But what exactly has happened to the Puntites? The Puntites are evidently the forebears of Horners. This is demonstrated, among other ways, by the continued genetic, osteological, cultural and linguistic ties between the peoples in the Horn and those in the Nile Valley. There's actually a good recent post about this on the Discover Magazine blog: blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/09/the-great-eurasian-explosion/#more-18372
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Post by forumer on Nov 3, 2012 17:00:24 GMT -5
any pictures you can show of horners with flaxen ( or approaching it) hair? or pictures that closely match the description of the Puntites.
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Post by Noah on Nov 3, 2012 20:36:27 GMT -5
any pictures you can show of horners with flaxen ( or approaching it) hair? or pictures that closely match the description of the Puntites. Shouldn't you already know this? I mean, you did present yourself as a Horner. Here's an example of a Horner with hair color similar to Hashepsut's and some of the Puntites': Actually, brown, red and even blonde hair was observed at non-negligible frequencies in Meroitic remains (who, if you'll recall, cluster closely with Horners and other Hamitic origin peoples): "Samples that were graded on the red scale (I-VI) for degree of red pigmentation were also graded on the blond-brown-black scale (A-Y) for degree of black pigmentation. Twenty-six percent (29% of the Meroitic, 13% of the Xgroup) of the total sample had some red pigmentation, and 10.5% (8.9 Meroitic, 13% Xgroup) had “blond” pigmentation (Fischer- Saller category G or less)." It's also frequent in the neighboring Socotrans: By the way, check your inbox for a new, one-of-a-kind message.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Nov 10, 2012 23:23:28 GMT -5
Knowledge and awareness is the key, fortunately there is a growing Somali/Ethiopian awareness of their racial identity, less are identifying as mixed and or Arab and more as Hamitic and Caucasian as time goes by...which is a good thing over all.
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Post by Atlantid on Nov 30, 2012 20:42:22 GMT -5
It's also frequent in the neighboring Socotrans: By the way, check your inbox for a new, one-of-a-kind message. There looks as if there is an Australoid strain among them. This is what Gayre called "Melanoid". Outside of his literature though, few have ever written on this topic. I do agree with Gayre though. There seems to be another racial component here, neither Negroid or Caucasoid.
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Post by Noah on Dec 8, 2012 22:32:49 GMT -5
There looks as if there is an Australoid strain among them. This is what Gayre called "Melanoid". Outside of his literature though, few have ever written on this topic. I do agree with Gayre though. There seems to be another racial component here, neither Negroid or Caucasoid. Socotrans have the highest frequencies of the haplogroup J*/basal J. Along with E1b1b and T, J is one of the most common paternal clades in the Arabian peninsula. They also rather closely resemble certain Cushitic types: In another thread, you described the Indian girl below as Caucasoid despite her dark features and pigmentation: She doesn't look all that different from the Socotrans et al., but you didn't question her background. Is it perhaps because of the Indo-European connection?
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