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Post by theleader9 on Aug 10, 2011 22:54:35 GMT -5
Well I decided to open up a thread for the first time but what I was wondering is do any Hamitic group have a martial arts system? Well I actually do know Somali nomads do have a sorta of a wrestling type of thing so there maybe one anything else?
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 10, 2011 23:50:29 GMT -5
Its called Istun, however the Berbers practice another one I'm sure. However the main techniques of Hamitic warfare was being the best archer on horseback like the Mongoloids something that many civilizations lacked, fighting on land with swords, and also handeling the sheild really well like the Spartans was very important. The Bible describes the children of Phut/Punt who were also the Libyan/Temehu (Berbers) of North Africa and the Boon of Somalia as "handlers of the shield and wielders of the sword". Which showed that they were warlike and knew how to fight really well. The Egyptian army was not made of Egyptians but mostly Libyans and the Ta Seti (Beja).
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 11, 2011 0:23:08 GMT -5
Horseback archery huh I guess it's my duty to learn how to ride a horse and archery lol but our ancestors had to be great warriors in order for them to spread the way they did ( North Africa.East Africa,Middle east,Southern Europe etc...)
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 11, 2011 0:46:52 GMT -5
Horseback archery was very important to our ancestors, they killed their enemies with hails of poisoned arrows and or arrows with fire. They were very brutal, the most well known Hamitic tribe that plundered Syria, Lebanon and the whole Levant were the Hittites. There were two Hittites, one was Indo-European that took the name of the famed Hamitic ones, the Hamitic ones were sons of Heth son of Canaan. They were brutal savages who caused chaos and fear to the nearby other peoples in the ancient peoples. They used chariots, arrows, etc. something that the ancient Egyptians didn't develop till after the Hyskos invasion another invading tribe who could've have been the Hittites of the Middle East. This technology of horseback and chariot warfare was something new to the Middle East, later developed. The Hamitic Amazon females were also brutal, made famous in Homer's Iniad for being the female warriors who sided with Troy. In the Trojan War the Trojans had Hamitic allies such as the Amazons who were from Libya and the Horn, and also the Ethiopians and Egyptians. The Amazons were ruled by a queen and they were a militristic society like the Spartans. Females were trained from a young age, their arrow shooting side's breast was burnt so they would shoot better with that side and another one kept to feed their female children. It was a female war society that didn't like men, the only time they wanted men to be in their society was when they raided nearby villages took their women, and female children and then raped the men (lol!) and got pregnant with them and then killed them. Reminds me of Araweelo that Somali ancient queen who developed a matriarchal system in ancient Somalia after being tired of the brutal rule of men, Araweelo only allowed women in the political system, in the religious system, and in the military system men were hunted and killed and only used for their sperm to give birth (lol!). The word Amazon comes from the Greek word "Amazos" which means "without breast", since they only kept one breast. Another variation can be Amonganges which means "without men".
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 11, 2011 1:30:03 GMT -5
Araweelo lol that story takes me back it used to scare the Beep### out of me lol even to this day it still does.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 11, 2011 1:34:33 GMT -5
Yeah they were Amazons, and Araweelo was one of those many Amazon queens lol! It doesn't scare maybe because I know if I lived under them I would be treated really well lol! They trained the girls rigrously and really fiercly and also they considered themselves to be superior to men and did kidnap some and mated with them and then killed them after hahahahahaha!
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 11, 2011 1:36:31 GMT -5
lol thats bec ur a women but being a man I would def not want to live under them but thank god my male ancestor survived lol.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 11, 2011 1:43:04 GMT -5
In the Trojan War Achilles the Greek killed the Amazon queen Penthesileia who has come to support the Trojans. She was so fierce in battle that one of the Greeks challenged him to kill her and then he did, she was marrying a helmet-mask and then he lifts it seeing her face and begins to sadden as he sees her beauty. He regrets killing her and even says that if he hadn't killed her, he would've taken her as his wife. A Greek man named Thersites sees him and then taunts him of falling in love with her and the enemy, he then kills him as well. Memnon the Ethiopian later kills Achilles' best friend Antiochus (the Cushite) whom he really deeply cares about, making a prophecy come true "beware of the Ethiopian", Achilles in his anger later kills Memnon as well. Memnon like Achilles was considered to be a demi-god, many of these people were considered to be demi-gods because of their greatness and bravery. This is in Homer's lost epic called Aethiopis. It is mentioned in other recorded sources, but the Aethiopis depicts the Cushites who fought in Troy more.
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 11, 2011 1:57:32 GMT -5
Achilles committed Necrophilia on that womens body how disgusting.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 11, 2011 1:59:08 GMT -5
He did? I didn't read that anywhere but did he? Wow he must have loved her so much lol!!!
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 11, 2011 2:08:20 GMT -5
In the Greek legend of the Trojan War, the Greek hero Achilles slays the Amazon queen Penthesilea in a duel. Upon removing her helmet and seeing her face, Achilles falls in love with her and mourns her death. The soldier Thersites openly ridicules Achilles and accuses him of necrophilia. Achilles responds by promptly killing Thersites with a single blow. (In some traditions, Thersites' accusation is not unfounded — Achilles was so stricken by Penthesilea's beauty that he could not control his lust for her, even after her death via wikipedia but I did read it some where
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 11, 2011 3:14:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I remember now yeah he did commit Necrophelia lol! However c'mon you can't really resist a Hamitic warrior queen now could you?
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Post by theleader9 on Aug 11, 2011 21:37:41 GMT -5
LOL I guess not but we need to avenge her lol.
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Post by hamiticsister101 on Aug 11, 2011 22:17:56 GMT -5
The Greeks and Southern Italians are 55% Hamitic, E1b1b is high there including Albanians and Bosnians. I've noticed that Greeks, Italians, Bosnians, and Albanians in the summer get really dark to a dark brown almost, compared to other Europeans who just simply burn lol!
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Post by Noah on Aug 12, 2011 19:06:46 GMT -5
@ Professor The highest frequency of haplogroup E1b1b so far has now been found in certain Tuareg clans -- the ones of purer Hamitic descent. Other Tuareg clans, especially in the more southern areas of West Africa, tend to carry lots of Sub-Saharan paternal and maternal DNA through admixture and assimilation of neighboring Negroid peoples. dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/11/y-chromosomes-and-mtdna-of-tuareg.html"Recent genetic studies of the Tuareg have begun to uncover the origin of this semi-nomadic northwest African people and their relationship with African populations. For centuries they were caravan traders plying the trade routes between the Mediterranean coast and south-Saharan Africa. Their origin most likely coincides with the fall of the Garamantes who inhabited the Fezzan (Libya) between the 1st millennium BC and the 5th century AD. In this study we report novel data on the Y-chromosome variation in the Libyan Tuareg from Al Awaynat and Tahala, two villages in Fezzan, whose maternal genetic pool was previously characterized. High-resolution investigation of 37 Y-chromosome STR loci and analysis of 35 bi-allelic markers in 47 individuals revealed a predominant northwest African component (E-M81, haplogroup E1b1b1b) which likely originated in the second half of the Holocene in the same ancestral population that contributed to the maternal pool of the Libyan Tuareg. A significant paternal contribution from south-Saharan Africa (E-U175, haplogroup E1b1a8) was also detected, which may likely be due to recent secondary introduction, possibly through slavery practices or fusion between different tribal groups. The difference in haplogroup composition between the villages of Al Awaynat and Tahala suggests that founder effects and drift played a significant role in shaping the genetic pool of the Libyan Tuareg."
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.21473/abstract
Note the bold part above that states that the E-M81 (i.e. the Berber or Western Hamite specific sub-branch of E1b1b -- the Eastern Hamites mostly have E-M78) "originated[...] in the same ancestral population that contributed to the maternal pool of the Libyan Tuareg". Do you know what the mtDNA of the Libyan Tuareg is? It is almost entirely Eurasian. So what the authors are basically saying is that the paternal haplogroup E1b1b's 'natural' companion as far as maternal lineages are concerned is Eurasian mtDNA. "the maternal genetic pool of the Libyan Tuaregs is characterized by a major "European" component shared with the Berbers that could be traced to the Iberian Peninsula, as well as a minor 'south Saharan' contribution possibly linked to both Eastern African and Near Eastern populations."
dienekes.blogspot.com/2009/05/mtdna-of-libyan-tuaregs.html
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